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fishsupreme ([personal profile] fishsupreme) wrote2005-08-31 04:30 pm

Keynesian Idiocy Again

And, as happens during every major disaster, someone in the government is looking on the bright side with Keynes's broken window fallacy:

"Reconstruction is going to add jobs and growth to the economy," Ben Bernanke, chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, told CNBC's "Morning Call." "As long as we find that the energy impact is only temporary and there's not permanent damage to the infrastructure, my guess is that the effects on the overall economy will be fairly modest."

No.  Reconstruction after a disaster is not good for the economy.  Wars and disasters do not generate jobs or growth.  The source of economic prosperity is not busy-work -- it is not the act of working that benefits the economy, nor the acts of buying and selling, nor the flow of money as it changes hands.  I get the impression that the Keynesians think that you would benefit the economy by flushing money down the toilet, so long as you used somebody else's toilet.

Wealth and prosperity come from production -- the fact that you have more after you do work than you had before.  Reconstruction after a disaster produces almost nothing -- it just gets you back to where you were before.  All that work goes into a black hole of economic uselessness, like the money spent on tax preparation (tax accountants produce nothing of value, and money paid to them doesn't even get spent on government programs -- it's just waste.)

What the Keynesians overlook is that all the people and work and effort that go into reconstruction would have gone into something else -- into producing something -- if the disaster had not forced them to spend it on reconstruction.

The wrongness of the broken window fallacy can be illustrated by an intutitively obvious example -- if disasters, wars, etc. are good for the economy, why don't we just have the military blow up a major city each year?  Wouldn't that be the ticket to lasting prosperity?

Listening to government economists talk about economics feels like listening to "intelligent design theorists" talking about evolutionary biology.  They use the right words, but they don't know what they mean.

[identity profile] zaimoni.livejournal.com 2005-08-31 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
The problem is a missing economic statistic: Gross Domestic Destruction.

I've never seen it, and it would show up this fallacy about as fast as anyone can think.
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[identity profile] evilegg.livejournal.com 2005-09-01 12:58 am (UTC)(link)
Our local papers hash this out with every hurricane.
It's always best that the window never gets broken, and our papers actually explain it to people- Which is nice that they don't consider their job to be that of a Hallmark "Good Cheer" greeting card.

[identity profile] ilcylic.livejournal.com 2005-09-01 02:41 am (UTC)(link)
I get the impression that the Keynesians think that you would benefit the economy by flushing money down the toilet, so long as you used somebody else's toilet.

*falls out of chair laughing*

Man, that's funny.

-Ogre

[identity profile] phanatic.livejournal.com 2005-09-01 03:45 am (UTC)(link)
I have explained this to five different fucking people today.

It's amazing how persistent this annoying little belief is. Bastiat should be required reading in the grade schools, I swear.

[identity profile] chaudfeu.livejournal.com 2005-09-01 01:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Or, if flushing money down the toilet in turn clogs the toilet, think of all that extra business for the plumbing industry!

[identity profile] eagle243.livejournal.com 2005-09-01 01:55 pm (UTC)(link)
It amazes me too, my friend.

[identity profile] gustavolacerda.livejournal.com 2005-09-04 01:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, and there's a more general form of it too. Maybe it's psychologically adaptive to believe that you didn't get totally fucked, because regret can be so costly (emotionally, and maybe economically, if it makes people too risk-averse in future decisions).

Those government economists seem like fine pieces of psychoceramics (the study of crackpottery).

While I agree with your message, I'm not sure I agree with these statements literally:

"Reconstruction after a disaster is not good for the economy. Wars and disasters do not generate jobs."

[identity profile] unshavengod.livejournal.com 2005-12-11 07:49 am (UTC)(link)
I think keynsian economics makes perfect sense in a feudal environment in which wealth is serverely concentrated.

In a situation of severe wealth concentration, the majority of the population is starving, uneducated, depressed, diseased, looking for drugs, etc. Let's also assume that the rich cannot consume at infinitely large rates. I.E., they can only use a limited amount of man-servants and harem-girls in a 24 hr. period.

If the rich are saturated with luxury, a "deadlock" situation arises in which the rich have no incentive to employ more poor people.

However, if a natural disaster or a war occurs, the estates of the rich become threatened, and the rich are required to divest some of their estate in order to rebuild and/or protect it.

This a bit of a stretch, perhaps, but I think this is where Keynsians are coming from. (If they're not, they're just morons. :-)